Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by retired jerry » November 7th, 2022, 8:48 am

It looks bigger then

Oh, that's just the cropping of the picture :)

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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by Don Nelsen » November 7th, 2022, 11:39 am

drm wrote:
November 5th, 2022, 7:46 am

...I wonder if anybody has had the idea of taking a photo of the same meadow year after year and then after 10 or 20 years they can compare?
Some meadows don't change much. Here are photos I took in the Wallowas on the trail to Long Lake in September of 1983 and the same place in August of 2015.
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I'll see what else I can find.
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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by retired jerry » November 7th, 2022, 12:27 pm

are those the same four people?

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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by Aimless » November 7th, 2022, 12:32 pm

I know the precise spot where those pics were taken, too!

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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by Don Nelsen » November 7th, 2022, 2:04 pm

retired jerry wrote:
November 7th, 2022, 12:27 pm
are those the same four people?
Only one of them are the same. You can barely see the top of one of my nephews' head (age 8 then) in the 1983 photo and that's him on the right, age 40 in the 2015 photo.

He had so much fun back then, a real hike with his dad and two of his uncles, that he wanted to go back to the same place. I was the only one besides him still in shape to do such a hike. (4 days, 30 miles and 5700'EG)
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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by Don Nelsen » November 7th, 2022, 2:05 pm

Aimless wrote:
November 7th, 2022, 12:32 pm
I know the precise spot where those pics were taken, too!
In would be neat if you could post a photo of the spot if you have one. Some places just beg for a photo to be taken, don't they?
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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by retired jerry » November 7th, 2022, 2:36 pm

shorts were a little shorter in 1983 :)

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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by drm » November 7th, 2022, 3:10 pm

Interesting thing about those two Wallowas photos is that that tree/bush in the foreground center has virtually not grown at all in all this time. Over 30 years and barely a few inches of growth? The trees on the back left of the meadow, which appear to be in an avalanche chute, do seem to have grown. But there is remarkably little change in encroaching on the meadow, the treeline, anything.

The biggest change is the quality of the camera.

Hey Don, you must have some old IH photos you could go duplicate!

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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by Don Nelsen » November 7th, 2022, 8:00 pm

drm wrote:
November 7th, 2022, 3:10 pm

Hey Don, you must have some old IH photos you could go duplicate!
Nothing very old for IH, back to the mid-nineties though. I'll take a look. Most of my earlier escapades were just trail runs and I didn't take a camera unless it was a camping trip. Of course, now, with the quality and ease of cell phone cameras, it's a different world!
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Re: Sub/Alpine meadows, fires, & climate change

Post by Aimless » November 7th, 2022, 8:29 pm

Don Nelsen wrote:
November 7th, 2022, 2:05 pm
Aimless wrote:
November 7th, 2022, 12:32 pm
I know the precise spot where those pics were taken, too!
In would be neat if you could post a photo of the spot if you have one. Some places just beg for a photo to be taken, don't they?
Here's one from Aug 2002:
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