Trapper Creek fire
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Re: Trapper Creek fire
Probably best to stay out of the forest right now. Oregon, Washington, California.
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Rewriting history. It'd look bad to institute a campfire ban (9/9!) a full week after the fire started, rather than the next day.squidvicious wrote: ↑September 8th, 2020, 6:38 pmSure that's the same fire? The notes say detected this morning.
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is this super negative uninformed hyperbolic trolling really necessary? Have you done a full assessment? seen the satellite analysis, or full report from crews? Yes there's lots of loss but to say all the area will be GONE?
I just saw a video of driving through Detroit and yes while there is a lot of structure loss, the entire area isn't GONE, mountain high grocery is unburned though the places next door are. There's still plenty of trees not fired, etc from what I could see in a 1 minute video someone took by driving by. Similar in Mill City, the pizza places and poppa Al's is intact, as is the subway, while other things burned.
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As a wise person once said,kepPNW wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 9:32 amRewriting history. It'd look bad to institute a campfire ban (9/9!) a full week after the fire started, rather than the next day.squidvicious wrote: ↑September 8th, 2020, 6:38 pmSure that's the same fire? The notes say detected this morning.
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Really? When it can't be refuted, sarcasm is the best retort?squidvicious wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 11:28 amAs a wise person once said,kepPNW wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 9:32 amRewriting history. It'd look bad to institute a campfire ban (9/9!) a full week after the fire started, rather than the next day.squidvicious wrote: ↑September 8th, 2020, 6:38 pmSure that's the same fire? The notes say detected this morning.
Look, I wrote to them on 9/7 (when, I believe, inciweb was reporting a 6000-acre fire) asking why the hell they still hadn't even instituted a campfire ban! They wrote back on 9/8 saying they were working on one. On 9/9, yesterday(!), they finally banned campfires. Serious.
You pointed out they not only knew the fire was burning on 9/2, but published that fact to social media. They are now saying the "Date of Origin" is 9/8. Rewriting history!
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No sarcasm at all. I genuinely don't want to read conspiracy theory posts about a forest service cover up.
My post that you're referring to was asking if this Big Hollow fire might in fact be a new and different one from the one I'd seen the week before, since it showed a different discovery date. The forest service has since confirmed that it is a new fire. Hence the different date.
That's not to say that when things calm down and there's a chance for more investigation they won't turn out to be connected in some way, but usually go with the simplest, non-conspiracy related explanation until proven otherwise.
My post that you're referring to was asking if this Big Hollow fire might in fact be a new and different one from the one I'd seen the week before, since it showed a different discovery date. The forest service has since confirmed that it is a new fire. Hence the different date.
That's not to say that when things calm down and there's a chance for more investigation they won't turn out to be connected in some way, but usually go with the simplest, non-conspiracy related explanation until proven otherwise.
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Hmmm, well, it's not much of a theory, really. And I certainly wasn't suggesting a conspiracy. Incompetence could be another explanation, if not a "cover-up," for the facts I highlighted (in absence of more).squidvicious wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 12:28 pmNo sarcasm at all. I genuinely don't want to read conspiracy theory posts about a forest service cover up.
Interesting. Where did you see multiple confirmed ignition sources having been published? The words Big Hollow were certainly in use before 9/8.squidvicious wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 12:28 pmMy post that you're referring to was asking if this Big Hollow fire might in fact be a new and different one from the one I'd seen the week before, since it showed a different discovery date. The forest service has since confirmed that it is a new fire. Hence the different date.
I would as well! And I have been paying attention, believe me. (I know folks in the path of that one.) If they've said there were multiple fires started on different dates, that subsequently combined, I missed that, and stand corrected!squidvicious wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 12:28 pmThat's not to say that when things calm down and there's a chance for more investigation they won't turn out to be connected in some way, but usually go with the simplest, non-conspiracy related explanation until proven otherwise.
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Re: Trapper Creek fire
the fog of war
in a crisis information gets screwed up initially, whatever...
in a crisis information gets screwed up initially, whatever...
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Re: Trapper Creek fire
Here's a map of the closure area. I like Jerry's idea of just avoiding the entire area for a few days. I was thinking of camping in the Indian Heaven Wilderness but this fire seems way to close to risk it.
There just happens to be a RAWS monitoring site near there. As of 4:30pm 9/10 it shows 86 degrees with 15% humidity and a 10 mph wind. 86 degrees and 15% humidity is bad news. Hopefully that will change.
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Yeah, I can't even imagine it being pleasant at all, what with the tossing and turning all night, dreaming of fire, wondering if you'll be able to get out in the morning. I'm actually leery of even a day hike right now. I guess Mt Baker would be safe...maybebushwhacker wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 4:27 pmI was thinking of camping in the Indian Heaven Wilderness but this fire seems way to close to risk it.