Covid-19

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Aimless » March 23rd, 2020, 3:19 pm

As I understand it, the idea is that the less non-essential milling about we're doing, the less stress we put on all the emergency response systems. What we think of as normal living activities produce their share of illnesses and accidents as a matter of course. The purpose of all these restrictions and disruptions is to strip daily life down to the bare essentials that keep us alive and functional, so as much energy as possible can be directed toward managing the pandemic.

It's OK to think this sucks big time. So do wars and this situation needs to be addressed as urgently as any global war.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Water » March 23rd, 2020, 4:07 pm

Nik Blosser's words are entirely hollow as section two of the order, listing places that can stay open lists coffee shops, cafes, bars, taverns, wine bars, etc, as long as they do take out and practice social distancing.

Nothing about any of those are essential/can't be replaced by grocery/restaurants with to-go.

I truly get the sentiment. But that you could go to 3 breweries for to-go 4pks, a bottle shop to get some other bottles, then get coffee, go to the grocery, and get some take-out at a restaurant, then drive and go hiking, and repeat that day after day and still be fully within the letter of the law is ridiculous.

Again I get the sentiment but there's about nothing in this order except for now there's teeth to jabronis gathering in groups and some of the businesses they deemed unable to continue due to inherent distance/gathering implications, along with the specific daycare provisions.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Limey » March 23rd, 2020, 5:09 pm

So, it has happened. Waterfall corridor in the gorge shut down.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Bosterson » March 23rd, 2020, 5:22 pm

Skamania County just made all outdoor recreational hiking illegal.

https://www.skamaniacounty.org/home/sho ... nt?id=2391
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Re: Covid-19

Post by adamschneider » March 23rd, 2020, 6:08 pm

...and Washington just got the same full shutdown orders that Oregon did this morning. Washington prepared a very detailed list of "essential" businesses/services: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... cture.html

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Chip Down » March 23rd, 2020, 6:11 pm

Bosterson wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 5:22 pm
Skamania County just made all outdoor recreational hiking illegal.

https://www.skamaniacounty.org/home/sho ... nt?id=2391
If one were to park pre-dawn, far from a trailhead, and head off cross-country on a route of one's own choosing to an obscure destination, and return to the car after dark, would the Sheriff be patiently waiting?

Would it be unethical to do so, if one didn't stop at retail establishments along the way?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Webfoot » March 23rd, 2020, 7:04 pm

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Re: Covid-19

Post by drm » March 23rd, 2020, 7:26 pm

adamschneider wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 2:14 pm
However:
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If I want to go backpacking on Mt Adams, I don't need to stay in a hotel, I don't need to stop anywhere, or talk to anybody. I will leave home with plenty of gas. An email from WTA says just don't go hiking at all. If you get into a car accident or get injured on the trail, you would be taking up scarce local/rural resources. I suppose so, but what are the chances of that?

Not that I'm planning to go imminently, the weather is lousy this week. Especially if this lasts a long time, and if my work runs out, and we get a sunny spell in April or May, I'm supposed to be limited to taking walks around town? I will just have to see how things feel if that comes about. If we are in anywhere near a worst case scenario, I won't even want to go.

I would add that in reading the Skamania County closure, it says it applies to all trailheads and parking areas within the scenic area. Which means national forest areas farther north are not included. Yet.

Water: I think the hope is that exclusions are used with care. As you say, a person could stay within the letter of the rule and probably still do a lot of damage. They are hoping people act intelligently and use even the allowed things with caution. That's what the governor hoped last week when she declined to issue the closure. Then we saw the crowds at the beach and at Multnomah Falls. So if lots of people do what you said, you would expect a more stringent rule to come out.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Bosterson » March 23rd, 2020, 8:57 pm

drm wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 7:26 pm
I would add that in reading the Skamania County closure, it says it applies to all trailheads and parking areas within the scenic area. Which means national forest areas farther north are not included. Yet.
I am not sure about that. Point number 1 says "all recreational hiking destinations" in the county are closed. This includes the Gorge Scenic Area.

Point number 2 says it's illegal to park at any trailhead for non emergency reasons.

Certainly we should call the county tomorrow to have them clarify this, but it would appear they are stating you are not allowed to hike or park anywhere in the county at all.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by dmthomas49 » March 24th, 2020, 6:30 am

Do you think Cook Hill would be included in this ban!

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