USGS Fail!

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USGS Fail!

Post by Lurch » April 22nd, 2014, 8:59 pm

For how many maps are out there, I would say it's fairly rare that the USGS just has a blatant fail :shock: So when I find them I tend to take note and have started to collect them ;)

I mean a true failure, not just the trail being off, or a road being outdated. Perdition being misnumbered, about 1/2 sq mile out near Dufur being 'mirrored' from reality etc..

Tonights find: (virtual cookie and brownie points to whoever spots it first!)
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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by DefianceOrBust » April 22nd, 2014, 9:48 pm

2.4k ≠ 2.6k

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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by Lurch » April 23rd, 2014, 9:05 pm

Correct good sir!

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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by DefianceOrBust » April 23rd, 2014, 9:52 pm

... the true art is the initial find. Nice. The type of error you posted here is due to duplicate information, the bane of database systems. In the a better world, the map maker would specify only the location of the number, not its value. I guess. Never studied map making myself.

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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by Lurch » April 23rd, 2014, 10:40 pm

I'm curious about other errors people have found

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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by aiwetir » December 1st, 2015, 12:47 am

Lurch wrote:I'm curious about other errors people have found
I had some creeks crossing up near Sequim in the late 90s. I was surveying Jimmy Come Lately Creek and one of the tributaries crossed the creek on the map and went elsewhere. I don't believe it went uphill anywhere, but I'd love to see that map again without spending that $8 USGS wants for the old maps.
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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by kepPNW » December 1st, 2015, 5:57 am

aiwetir wrote:I'd love to see that map again without spending that $8 USGS wants for the old maps.
I believe you can download most, no?
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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by VanMarmot » December 1st, 2015, 8:49 am

kepPNW wrote:
aiwetir wrote:I'd love to see that map again without spending that $8 USGS wants for the old maps.
I believe you can download most, no?
Yes, you can download USGS maps at different scales dating back years at that site. Similar USFS maps (good for forest roads) can be found at USFS maps. The USFS maps tend to mirror the USGS maps, so you might find the same errors on both. Still, the error rate is staggeringly small relative to the number of maps involved.

In this instance, the contour lines not aligning properly seems to be the result of a map join and not an error within a given map. CalTopo shows this joining issue quite often.

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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by retired jerry » December 1st, 2015, 9:41 am

yeah, one quad is at one resolution, adjacent quad at different resolution

back from the bad old days when you had a paper map for each quad :)

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Re: USGS Fail!

Post by Lurch » December 1st, 2015, 9:52 am

VanMarmot wrote:
kepPNW wrote:
aiwetir wrote:I'd love to see that map again without spending that $8 USGS wants for the old maps.
I believe you can download most, no?
Yes, you can download USGS maps at different scales dating back years at that site. Similar USFS maps (good for forest roads) can be found at USFS maps. The USFS maps tend to mirror the USGS maps, so you might find the same errors on both. Still, the error rate is staggeringly small relative to the number of maps involved.

In this instance, the contour lines not aligning properly seems to be the result of a map join and not an error within a given map. CalTopo shows this joining issue quite often.
Part of this is inherent in mapping in general. Because the 'standard' USGS quads are 7.5" maps, they're covering 7.5 minutes of latitude and longitude, and are slightly trapezoidal, and will cause some alignment issues when you try and stitch them all together.. The whole flat faces on a spherical surface bit.. It's also good to be aware that different maps have different contour intervals, so your topo lines may double, or half, at the borders.

Nesmith is a prime example of this:
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It's easy to tell in the steep face, but can look more like an alignment problem in the flatter areas unless you pay close attention to the contour interval and realize it shifts from 40' to 80'

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