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I think of the NYT and The Guardian as two relatively trustworthy sources that are actually engaging in real journalism, so I thought it was weird that they included both of them. They should have replaced one of those with Fox or CNN or something similarly silly.
Water wrote: ↑September 10th, 2019, 10:45 pmThis does come as a surprise but doesn't really chap me.
And isn't it USGS that holds responsibility? If the FS was in charge you would only ever see the updated seismic logs after the volcano blew.. and even then they'd prolly lose the data. Hood would be rumbling and people of Portland would feel it, vulcanologists would be calling the zigzag station asking for the data: [in late August] "well, I haven't hiked the Yocum trail before but you should be prepared for snow to block your way. It's rated difficult."
After reading the article, I'm pretty sure that the impetus for the monitoring stations comes from career scientists at the USGS, not political appointees. So, while I agree that it makes sense to analyze all of the Administration's actions critically, I think this seismic monitoring passes the smell test: it is probably a good idea and not a sheep in wolf's clothing aimed at weakening our Wilderness protection laws.ThePortlandeer wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 12:39 pmIn a vacuum it's probably not a big deal as an isolated improvement in an area designated as wilderness. However, given the government's recent track record on why certain things "need" to be done (e.g. why Alabama needed a hurricane warning, why wind turbines will cause cancer, why we don't have to worry about climate change), it seems like an awful slippery slope to use grant the government license to use "public safety" as a reason to violate a basic tenet of the wilderness act.
Maybe they didn't want the graphic to be so easily dismissed. Maybe you should be more skeptical of these sources.adamschneider wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 7:41 pmI think of the NYT and The Guardian as two relatively trustworthy sources that are actually engaging in real journalism, so I thought it was weird that they included both of them. They should have replaced one of those with Fox or CNN or something similarly silly.
Water wrote: ↑September 10th, 2019, 10:45 pm....If the FS was in charge you would only ever see the updated seismic logs after the volcano blew.. and even then they'd prolly lose the data. Hood would be rumbling and people of Portland would feel it, vulcanologists would be calling the zigzag station asking for the data: [in late August] "well, I haven't hiked the Yocum trail before but you should be prepared for snow to block your way. It's rated difficult."
There are a few in surprisingly close proximity up there. I found one much higher and west of your location.markesc wrote: ↑September 16th, 2019, 6:10 pmStrange coincidence, I just found an old USGS marker in the langile area from my recent post. It looked like your every day elevation marking that's hammered into a rock, but this one stated it was specific for earthquake studies. I'm guessing it's from an old style survey system and not what may be the same things that dot the s. side of St. Helens.
Yeap that was the one! I wonder how much use they actually got out of 'em?Chip Down wrote: ↑September 16th, 2019, 6:29 pmThere are a few in surprisingly close proximity up there. I found one much higher and west of your location.markesc wrote: ↑September 16th, 2019, 6:10 pmStrange coincidence, I just found an old USGS marker in the langile area from my recent post. It looked like your every day elevation marking that's hammered into a rock, but this one stated it was specific for earthquake studies. I'm guessing it's from an old style survey system and not what may be the same things that dot the s. side of St. Helens.