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Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 14th, 2019, 3:11 pm
by drm
retired jerry wrote:
February 14th, 2019, 7:10 am
a lesson - when she was on a trail, she should have stayed on it. Do not cut down along some stream because you know it leads down to civilization. Especially in the gorge because of cliffs.
I thought the trail was completely covered in snow. She didn't leave it to take a shortcut, she was unable to follow it. While it would not be visible, it would tend to stick to relatively benign terrain and avoid the steeps. That's how I interpreted the article.

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 14th, 2019, 3:23 pm
by retired jerry
ahhh... that makes sense

I've gotten lost off of trail covered by snow before

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 15th, 2019, 7:37 am
by drm
But it does get to that big issue when finding your own way - when do you turn around to go back and find whatever route you really want, or do you just push forward and hope to make it through.

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 15th, 2019, 7:55 am
by retired jerry
Yeah, as you're hiking out constantly look around to see landmarks to find your way back and turn around when warranted

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 19th, 2019, 1:32 pm
by aiwetir
In all this discussion about that non-existent trail, I went looking a bit closer at the LiDAR of that area and saw this old road/trail system I've never heard discussed. You can see it east of the trail (pink line). Is there discussion about it but I just don't know what people call that area?
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Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm
by Bosterson
That road is the blue line in this TR. Plenty of people have done extensive explorations of the old logging roads that cover the Defiance area, but they don't show up on maps (and shouldn't!) so it's unlikely that played any role in the lost hiker.

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 19th, 2019, 2:21 pm
by aiwetir
I wouldn't think that had anything to do with her getting lost, this is just the latest thread with discussions about that trail. I'm not overly fond of walking roads either so I'm not likely to explore this area much. But boy those spring photos in that TR look really nice. Can't wait for warmer weather.

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 19th, 2019, 2:36 pm
by retired jerry
I like walking roads, as long as there aren't cars driving by

Easier to avoid brush with ticks hanging on it

Since it's wider, if a tree falls, there's more room to get around it

They should allow people to use existing roads. If they can't afford to maintain it they should just let it go but allow people to use it.

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 19th, 2019, 2:44 pm
by Bosterson
retired jerry wrote:
February 19th, 2019, 2:36 pm
They should allow people to use existing roads. If they can't afford to maintain it they should just let it go but allow people to use it.
Not sure if you're just making commentary about roads in general? The "road" Michael is referring to is an old logging road that cuts across the Defiance hillside that's been abandoned for 50 years, and anyone can walk on it if they feel like climbing over 50 years of blowdown...

Re: Rescued hiker on Mt. Defiance

Posted: February 19th, 2019, 3:09 pm
by retired jerry
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

People should be allowed to use the road, but if it the Forest Service chooses not to maintain it and it becomes impassable, so be it.

I used to walk the road on Mt Hood that goes past Riley campground. But they decommissioned it at great expense. They should have just let it be. If there were specific culverts that were causing an environmental risk, then just take them out.

Just my opinion