I need to retire!
(Only been out 24 days, so far, this year. But 376 miles! )
I need to retire!
Y'know, sometimes this happens, even when you're not female.obera wrote: ↑April 20th, 2018, 7:41 amI was on my way to Paradise Park once and at a junction doing something with my pack or poles. Some guy stopped and began giving me directions and information and telling me what to do where. I was probably just getting a snack or adjusting a layer and in no way indicating distress. The guy probably talked for 5 minutes. Unsolicited. Unneeded.
Exactly some people men more than women I think just communicate this way regardless of if they are talking to another man or a woman. Personally I think if the intention is good without malice or condescending tone then they should be accepted as such and taken without offense.kepPNW wrote: ↑April 21st, 2018, 12:42 pmY'know, sometimes this happens, even when you're not female.
Woodswalker and I laughed for a mile, probably, one day when we were looking at a map along the Salmon River trail (for place or creek names, as I recall), and a young 20-something couple stopped to offer help and directions. Some people simply share compulsively.
Oh, and I get told, "almost there!", with some frequency, too.
This has been a most interesting thread, Thanks Chip!
Well, if you don't think things are as bad as some have proposed then you are disregarding someone's opinion, their truth. That's just not appropriate. You can't tell someone they can't feel how they feel in a respectful way.Guy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2018, 5:24 pmThis has been a most interesting thread, Thanks Chip!
I'm assuming we would all agree that we should not expect to see minorities in greater numbers than their percentage of the population. While I agree that in most groups participation is less I personally don't believe that things are nearly as bad as some have proposed here.
I wont be able to track sexual orientation but since I'm a stats guy I'm going to start tracking race and gender of the people I see on my hikes to see if I am right or wrong!
Nobody should take anything how you want them to take it. People have the right to interpret their surroundings how they do. Some might say this is mansplaining. Women and minority groups have been oppressed for years and voices are starting to appear - you can either listen and be part of the change or you can tell people to take it without offense (paraphrasing) and not be part of the change... ie, be part of the problem.Guy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2018, 4:40 pmExactly some people men more than women I think just communicate this way regardless of if they are talking to another man or a woman. Personally I think if the intention is good without malice or condescending tone then they should be accepted as such and taken without offense.kepPNW wrote: ↑April 21st, 2018, 12:42 pmY'know, sometimes this happens, even when you're not female.
Woodswalker and I laughed for a mile, probably, one day when we were looking at a map along the Salmon River trail (for place or creek names, as I recall), and a young 20-something couple stopped to offer help and directions. Some people simply share compulsively.
Oh, and I get told, "almost there!", with some frequency, too.
kepPNW wrote: ↑April 21st, 2018, 12:42 pmY'know, sometimes this happens, even when you're not female.obera wrote: ↑April 20th, 2018, 7:41 amI was on my way to Paradise Park once and at a junction doing something with my pack or poles. Some guy stopped and began giving me directions and information and telling me what to do where. I was probably just getting a snack or adjusting a layer and in no way indicating distress. The guy probably talked for 5 minutes. Unsolicited. Unneeded.
Woodswalker and I laughed for a mile, probably, one day when we were looking at a map along the Salmon River trail (for place or creek names, as I recall), and a young 20-something couple stopped to offer help and directions. Some people simply share compulsively.
Oh, and I get told, "almost there!", with some frequency, too.
Then I guess my question is how do I debate this point respectfully if my point of view is different or should I just not debate it. This isn't meant to be an argument it's a genuine question.
So again a genuine question, If I risk offending somebody on the trail with a casual comment that would not be offensive to most people is it best just no to say more than high to folks you meet out on the trail?obera wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 9:13 am
Nobody should take anything how you want them to take it. People have the right to interpret their surroundings how they do. Some might say this is mansplaining. Women and minority groups have been oppressed for years and voices are starting to appear - you can either listen and be part of the change or you can tell people to take it without offense (paraphrasing) and not be part of the change... ie, be part of the problem.
You're right, this is Oregon - best to just say "How, high are you."
Guy wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 11:02 amThen I guess my question is how do I debate this point respectfully if my point of view is different or should I just not debate it. This isn't meant to be an argument it's a genuine question.
So again a genuine question, If I risk offending somebody on the trail with a casual comment that would not be offensive to most people is it best just no to say more than high to folks you meet out on the trail?obera wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 9:13 am
Nobody should take anything how you want them to take it. People have the right to interpret their surroundings how they do. Some might say this is mansplaining. Women and minority groups have been oppressed for years and voices are starting to appear - you can either listen and be part of the change or you can tell people to take it without offense (paraphrasing) and not be part of the change... ie, be part of the problem.
Thanks for you input.
Guy.
Which? What Guy's saying, or what you're saying?obera wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 9:13 amNobody should take anything how you want them to take it. People have the right to interpret their surroundings how they do. Some might say this is mansplaining.Guy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2018, 5:24 pmExactly some people men more than women I think just communicate this way regardless of if they are talking to another man or a woman. Personally I think if the intention is good without malice or condescending tone then they should be accepted as such and taken without offense.
Ahh, well, I just roll with it. Kids these days, huh? Passed 23 of them on my way up Silver Star yesterday, arriving on top all alone, despite the TH being absolutely full of parked cars when I arrived. Let 'em eat my dust.
It's what men do. Even (especially?) to other men.